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« on: May 22, 2009, 01:35:29 AM »

Note: This is the Heat Treat Admin Typing this.  We get technical questions asked of us not on our forum, but via email or the phone.  Sometimes the information in the conversations are to valuable for others not to see.  I have asked the person if I could post the emails online so others can learn from information, that is after I slightly change their name and edit out any personal information, as well as condensing/editing some of the conversations content.  Due to the persons serious pain and discomfort, It saves this person considerable agony by not having to sit infront of the computer and type out all the info.  Below is the information contained in 2 weeks of interacting with "Marlene" (slight name change)...and I will post my own responses under the HeatTreatAdmin username I always do.  Thanks


Good day,

I really like the idea of your pack and had one question...

Ive had some nerve impingement my whole life due to a severe double scoliosis with rotation, spinal stenosis, disc degeneration disease and bone spurs.  I may have a herniated disc I dont know but for these conditions will it help severe sharp pain?

Thank you,
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 02:47:22 AM »

Hello, I’m happy to help out.

 You have enough problems that can be causing the sharp pain however I need more info before I can really give you a good answer I feel comfortable with. So here are a few quick questions:

-Where is the sharp pain?
-On a scale of 1-10 how severe is the pain(10 the worst, 1 the  
least)?
-What triggers the pain...ie types of movements, positions?
 -How long does the pain last?
-What makes the pain go away? Bed rest, being in a certain position, stretching, drugs/
 pain killers?
-Have you been in any accidents before?
-If you have seen any doctors, have you had any tests done, when and what were they, and what did they find?
-Any other related information you care to add is very helpful.

 Thanks Marlene, hope you are feeling ok.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 01:38:04 AM »

Quote from: "HeatTreatAdmin"
Hello, I’m happy to help out.

 You have enough problems that can be causing the sharp pain however I need more info before I can really give you a good answer I feel comfortable with. So here are a few quick questions:

-Where is the sharp pain?
-On a scale of 1-10 how severe is the pain(10 the worst, 1 the  
least)?
-What triggers the pain...ie types of movements, positions?
 -How long does the pain last?
-What makes the pain go away? Bed rest, being in a certain position, stretching, drugs/
 pain killers?
-Have you been in any accidents before?
-If you have seen any doctors, have you had any tests done, when and what were they, and what did they find?
-Any other related information you care to add is very helpful.

 Thanks Marlene, hope you are feeling ok.

Hi!

Some of the pain is from fibromyalgia and myofascial lumps and bumps  (trigger points) so it's hard to separate them all but all the pains are chronic and have been for the  
last 5 years. The worst pain is in and around my sacroiliac joints, the whole area around the iliac  crest and hips. The left side is worse than the right side. The scoliosis goes to the right by the way.

The one sharp pain I was referring to seems to be on the left side  all around the area I described above except its so far inside that I can't reach it very well. It's hard  to pinpoint.

Yet that whole lower back area I described is all sore including in  my soft tissues. The area feels like it has crushed glass in it and after touching it, massaging it, or using a  
vibrator, it gets to feeling stingy and burning right below the skin.

The sharpest pain in the left side, the one that is hard to reach or define, hurts the most when I move my hips or bend over just a little like brushing my teeth is extremely  
painful (an    , looking in the frig is painful, stretching is very painful. Shifting my hips while sitting is really bad (an 8  or 9) Yet it's less painful if I bend over all the way down and kind  of not bend as much from the waist. (pain level 4)

If I'm careful, I can exercise on my rebounder and feel much better  until I'm done. Then the pain gets much much worse after I have exercised.

Walking hurts, pedaling my recumbent trike hurts, but certain  movements make if better like rocking.

Doing a pelvic tilt is very painful and so is arching my back or  spine. Bed rest hurts on whatever side I'm on and when on my back,  everything can burn like a neuropathic pain. When I turn over in bed,  the side that I'm not lying on will start to burn after a few minutes and that can get intense (up to 6  or   but after time, it usually calms down.

I do not take any medications because I'm allergic to them all.

Systemic enzymes have made the pain worse, in fact everything that is  supposed to help makes it worse.

I have an infrared hot house dome and an infrared heating pad and  those ease some pain for awhile but the pain afterwards seems more fired up with stiffness. It's been so  
complicated that I don't tell many about it because it's confusing.

I also have nerve damage after using klonopin for brain seizures for  15 years and most of this pain got worse once I started to taper (that took 5 years) and get off of it which  
was only 3 months ago.

Thank you very much,

Marlene
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2009, 09:36:14 PM »

Hello, Marlene, nice to talk to you.  Sorry for the delay in response, I was away, and ran out of time last night to finish this.  My mother  was the owner of the company, and passed away not too long ago.  She was not a doctor but did lots of research due to her own spinal stenosis, degenerative disk disease, and later on in her life, fibromyalgia.  I’m not a slouch when it comes to back related knowledge, and can be of some assistance to you.  I also have let a couple of chiropractors read your emails for some added input.  I also know what my mother went through and can help apply that to your situation, since you have three of the same problems, spinal stenosis, fibromyalgia, and degenerative disks.  She doesn’t have your scoliosis with rotation though.  I’m sorry you have so many back problems, it must drive you insane and hurt the quality of your life.   It is difficult for me to comment on some things with certainty, because I’m not physically there, and because I’m not your chiropractor/doctor, I’m just reading your somewhat limited info from my computer.  Giving you precise answers is difficult, and knowing what is causing what with 100% certainty is difficult in some situations for me, although I’m pretty certain what’s going on.  But I will try.  In my response to you, the blue words are links to places, and the questions to you are in a different color(red) so you can spot them better.   Here is my first question:  Have you been in any accidents(any kind of falling, auto accidents etc) where your back neck or spine could have been hurt in an way in addition to your problems?
If I ship a heat pack to you, where do you live, what country?


About the Subject of Heat Therapy and our Pack:
I can tell you about most heat pads, and can explain the situation you encounter/described with yours.  Heat helps to block out pain, too high a heat still blocks pain, but
creates inflammation meaning the area doesn’t get better, ie it doesn’t heal, which explains why the pain feels more fired up with added stiffness (inflamed) after you’ve used your pack.  Our heat pack was designed to deal with this problem.  All the other heat packs are designed at too high a heat, and although that high heat might mean it stops (temporarily) about 5% more pain than our pack, it causes inflammation which is very bad, meaning the area treated won’t heal, and you will often move a step backwards, which means you will feel more pain.  Our pack is designed to reach the right temperature to enable healing and of course stop the pain during the duration of the heat treatment. This is called a therapeutic temperature.  This enables blood to flow into the area being treated, and then dissipate afterwards not causing inflammation.  Since it is at a slightly lower temperature then other packs, it stops a little less pain (very slightly, it’s hard to notice).  Our pack also maintains this temperature and slightly below this temperature for a set
period of time, called a therapeutic time interval. This is a certain time interval that is useful to heal.   Our pack is the only pack out there that reaches and maintains a therapeutic temperature for the proper therapeutic time interval.   On a related note, our pack is the only pack out there that has spinal protection, as it is dangerous to heat your spine.  Please read about our pack here:
http://http://www.heattreat.ca/aboutthepack.php


About Your Scoliosis:
In regards to your double scoliosis with rotation, I don’t know the severity of it (% angle of curvature  etc). Scoliosis usually develops in the upper back (thoracic spine) or area between the upper back and lower back (the thoracolumbar area of the spine), so I’ll assume that.  In most cases regular types of scoliosis, there are usually no symptoms, and if there is, people experience muscle back pain, stiffness and/or fatigue.   For people with severe scoliosis, back muscle fatigue and pain can be felt during more lengthy periods of time when standing or sitting.  Some of your pain in your low back in the tissue area could be from scoliosis Marlene and could be helped by heat therapy (read below for more info on my recommendation of heat therapy).  In some people, the condition can worsen over time. The abnormal compression of your ribs on one side can put pressure on your vital organs and can mess with the function of the heart and lungs if left untreated. I’m guessing this last sentence doesn’t apply to you unless you haven’t mentioned it for some reason.   Stretching and resting is obviously going to help.  Also in some severe cases of scoliosis, If there are any neurological deficits that would indicate impingement of the spinal cord... I don’t know enough about your scoliosis, but this can cause obvious problems. As any doctor ever mentioned spinal cord impingement due to the scoliosis? I’m guessing no.



Your Stenosis:
In lumbar spinal stenosis, the spinal nerve roots in the lower back are compressed, or choked, and this can produce symptoms of sciatic tingling, weakness and or numbness that radiates from the low back and into your legs and buttock- this gets worse with activity.
Spinal cervical stenosis (in the neck) can be a lot more dangerous because of compressing the spinal cord itself and possibly leading to major body weakness or even paralysis. This is virtually impossible in the lumbar spine, however, as the spinal cord is not present in the lumbar spine.
Thoracic spinal stenosis, again is where the spinal cord or spinal nerves are compressed by narrowing of the spinal canal or the openings between the thoracic vertabrae.  The thoracic spine has some unique characteristics that make thoracic spinal stenosis a little different than stenosis in other areas. Thoracic spinal stenosis rarely occurs by itself, and is usually accompanied by stenosis in the lumbar area, and sometimes also the cervical spine. The spinal canal is narrower in the thoracic area, even though your spinal cord size remains the same. That means there is less extra space, so it takes less obstruction to cause problems.  Most thoracic spinal stenosis is due to degenerative changes—arthritis in the joints, bone spurs, disc degeneration and other changes due to aging. As the degeneration grows, you may experience pain in your back and legs, either aching in your legs when you walk that gets better when you rest, or pain that radiates down your back or legs. You may develop problems with walking or loss of bowel or bladder function (this sounds like it doesn’t apply to you).  Since the thoracic spinal canal is already narrow naturally, people with this problem cannot tolerate any extra pressure on the spinal cord, and if they do they are going to develop symptoms of cord compression where you lose some sensation or movement below the thoracic impingement region where the problem is at its worst.  Thoracic spinal stenosis treatment usually involves using anti-inflammatory medications, pain management medications and techniques, steroid injections, nerve blocks, and physical therapy.  These are some of the things people with thoracic spinal stenosis do, I'm not saying you should do them, I’m just listing them.  You could see a physiotherapist to see if there is some way you can do some sort of exercise.  Again, you said you were allergic to most meds, however anti-inflammatories work best.  For most people if the pain is uncontrolled or if there are signs of cord compression, surgery is necessary to relieve pressure on the cord or spinal nerves, however this does not seem to be quite bad enough to warrant this.  
I want to address your quotes from your email that relates to your stenosis: “Yet that whole lower back area I described is all sore including in my soft tissues. The area feels like it has crushed glass in it and after touching it, massaging it, or using a vibrator, it gets to feeling stingy and burning right below the skin”.  This pain in this area is all nerve related due to the stenosis, and nerve problems due to it.  The area is badly inflamed which explains the burning crushed glass description.  You need to get the inflammation under control before you think of using heat therapy, and when you do use your heat therapy I would not use any other heat pack except ours (due to its temp and time interval and spine protection already talked about) and when you are using your heat therapy I would also use ice therapy as well due to your ongoing inflammation in the area.  The heat therapy is obviously just going to aid in treating the tissue, specifically in your low back which seems to be giving you your most grief, and the tissue in the rest of the back as well if it is hurting.  In terms of the  nerve impingement due to the stenosis, heat therapy wont work, you need to find ways to reduce the inflammation, like cold therapy, anti-inflammatories etc.  


Your Sacroiliac Joint (area) Problem:
This is getting to be a long document, so instead of writing out a huge blurb, I’m just going to give you a link to a decent page on Sac Joints , its related area and inflammation(which I’m quite sure you have):
http://http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/back/buttocks/sacroiliac.htm

This is a semi basic article, and I’m sure you know lots about your Sac joints already, but it lets us get started and gives us a reference when we are talking.  When you wrote:  “The worst pain is in and around my sacroiliac joints, the whole area around the iliac crest and hips. The left side is worse than the right side. The scoliosis goes to the right by the way” I’m guessing the reason it’s worse on the left is because the scoliosis goes to the right putting more tension on the left. Here your scoliosis is hurting your sac joints. You wrote: “The worst pain is in and around my sacroiliac joints, the whole area around the iliac crest and hip”. ...” The one sharp pain I was referring to seems to be on the left side all around the area I described above except its so far inside that I can't reach it very well. It's hard to pinpoint”  If you read the top two paragraphs from the article and follow the link from the part that says Iliolumbar ligament in that second paragraph, you will see that that ligament in the picture is right where you are having this problem(left side due to the strain), which is the part you said is inside where you can’t get too.   This area of yours is out of alignment partly or wholly due to your scoliosis, which is putting a strain on this area and tendon due to alignment problems.  Your Sac joints are badly inflamed, and your Iliolumbar ligament is irritated as well which explains to a large degree the problems you are experiencing from what you have told me so far. If you read the symptoms part from that article it says “The pain can range from an ache to a sharp pain which can restrict movement”, which is the bad sharp pain you described at the beginning of your email.  To be clear your sac joints(which are inflamed) and Iliolumbar ligaments (which is also probably inflamed too) are related but are going to give you different symptoms, as discussed above and in the two articles.  Please read both articles 1, 2, and their symptoms, and treatments to better understand what is causing what pain, and the proper treatments.  For me getting the inflammation under control immediately is key, and keeping it under control will go along ways to minimizing your pain and discomfort.  Stopping or lessening the strain (probably caused by your right curving scoliosis) on your left side which is irritating your Iliolumbar ligament is going to help you a great deal I would imagine.  Cold therapy, stretching and message are all listed treatments, as is articulation/manipulation.  All the things you wrote like bending over to brush your teeth, looking in the fridge, moving your hips, all are symptoms due to the problems talked about above, and should get better with treatment (not permanently better- but the pain and frequency should get better).  
You wrote “If I'm careful, I can exercise on my rebounder and feel much better until I'm done. Then the pain gets much much  worse after I have exercised.” ... “Walking hurts, pedaling my recumbent trike hurts,but certain movements make if better like rocking”.  Rebounding is good in a lot of ways in general life...check This article.  It is going to help your blood flow a bit which reduces your inflammation in certain regions(until you stop), and relaxes you and your nervous system (“nerves”) which is good.  I’m not sure what part in your body doesn’t feel good after getting off the rebounder though is it the sac area?  The thing is with nerve impingement you are compressing your spine and exerting force on any impinged nerves when you are impacting your rebounder, which is not good. Also when you stop the blood will flow back and stay and the area continues to be inflamed, which brings back your symptoms.  In terms of the rocking, its helps your blood flow out of those regions and helps stretch your sac region which you need.  Is this the area that feels better when you rock?  I just assumed so.


Your Fibromyalgia Problem:
There are a few news related articles picked from this news section that you should read that relate to your Fibromyalgia:
http://http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090217123124.htm (read this one carefully and more then once as there are some important parts to it that are missed on a quick read.  Note they mention the fact that it can be stress related.  Without knowing anything else about your life, just the problems in your back alone that you were born with and the resulting pain could be stressful enough to cause fibromyalgia if you buy into the stress related angle of the article.)  I think this is how you developed it.  
http://http://mtabcpain.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/fibromyalgia-can-no-longer-be-called-the-invisible-syndrome/
http://http://www.heattreat.ca/back-pain-health-news/fibromyalgia-pain-caused-by-neuron-mismatch.php

There is also a decent article written by my mother several years ago about fibromyalgia on our forum where she answered a posters question: http://http://www.heattreat.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38

As mentioned already in my employees email regarding our pack and the therapeutic temperature and time intervals, and spinal protection, if you were to use any heat pack out there, it would be ours.  There is one problem using heat therapy for your body which I found reading your emails.  You have problems with your sacroiliac joints, which I’m 99.9% sure are inflamed.   If they are chronically inflamed I would suggest not heating that area at all until you know they not inflamed, and you can work at reducing the inflammation by icing, anti-inflammatories  (never use these long term they damage your kidneys) or other methods(talk to your doc).  Are you allergic to anti-inflammitories too? Ask your doctor or chiropractor or who-ever you see about using heat therapy before actually doing it.  Usually our pack doesn’t cover the sac joints if you look at the size and shape of it, it doesn’t reach that far down.  However people can use the pack where ever they like it, so I’m just advising you not to use it there until your inflammation is under control and your doc says its ok to use it in that area.  I would use it for areas it was meant for.   If you decide to buy the pack after thinking things through with your doctor, seeing as though you are in so much pain I’ll give you one of our slightly defected packs at a good deal.  As I’m sure someone with the knowledge you must have accumulated over the years, that you know heat therapy won’t solve all of the pain that all your problems are causing, but it could definitely help some areas, plus its natural and doesn’t hurt your body like drugs.  It’s cheap too because you can reuse these packs for years, and are looking at pennies per treatment.   Please read this link if you have time for more info on heat and pain control:  http://http://www.heattreat.ca/heatpaincontrol.php  Its important that you stop using your hot baths especially long ones, due to the inflammation issue, they would be making it worse.  Take showers instead(not too hot!).

 My mother besides using her heat pack, who also suffered from Spinal stenosis, degenerative disk disease, and fibromyalgia, used another product that I would recommend to you, which is a pain cream called Gardeners dream cream:
http://http://www.aromacrystal.com/index.php?page_id=26
It’s relatively cheap and does wonders for treating pain.  I have used it myself and highly recommend it.   Its’ natural too.  It has a bit of a build up effect on your skin so you have to wash your skin between successive applications of it-you can use it maybe twice in a row without washing.  

Here is another article outside of your individual conditions that you should read, and below it is an article my mother wrote before she died regarding Maldynia if you have not read it yet:
Chronic Pain Related News:
Rewiring Of Brain Responsible For Baffling Chronic Pain

In a few days when I have some more time to devote to you, I could give an email listing some vitamin and supplements that could help you with your problems, in addition to some other things/methods that could help you out. Sorry this took so long.  
Here is to you feeling better!
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 12:59:15 AM »

Wow, that was some letter you wrote back and you put a lot of thought and time into it plus getting feedback from a few chiropractors. I must say you are very knowledgeable.

I'm very sorry for the loss of your dear mother who sounded like a  very strong woman who made a difference in this world of ours.

I will send you a picture of an old x-ray, I don't have any new ones but the old one was taken in 1992 and the scoliosis is worse now. The worst curve and the stenosis is in  the lumbar region. I didn't mention the rest of the back pain I have because the lower part hurts so much.  I don't notice the other pain as much but I feel like I have crushed glass throughout most of my spine and it does hurt along the entire spine.

The chiropractors think I was born with it though it wasn't discovered until 1976. I've had pain for most of my life and I've been told that I've never experienced a day of health with the spine that I have.

I forgot to mention that I have bone spurs so yes, I do have nerve impingement (pressure on a nerve) and that's in my lower back but I never have lost any strength in my legs. Sometimes my wrists get weak.

I've had aching in my legs almost my whole life off and on and so that must be related to the scoliosis. The leg pain started when I was 23 back in 1968.

The  last 5 years have been the worst because a medicine and then coming off that medicine caused me to be almost entirely bedridden and that's when the pain got out of  
control. That medicine and withdrawing from it is known to cause nerve pain by damaging GABA receptor sites and it's hard to distinguish between how much is my spine and how much is that. The deep burning in bed most likely comes from the drug damage.

About the SI joint, you are so right and lower curve, the severe curve, DOES go the right which causes the sharp pain across that area AND the iliolumbar ligament is exactly where that sharp sharp pain is. I've had that sharp pain in the SI area and that joint for over one year non-  
stop now. The intense back pain I've had since spring of 2004.

I don't see medical doctors because I'm allergic to ALL medications  
and can't have surgery for the same reason. I can't tolerate any odors which means I nearly pass out from the odor of essential oils and they over stimulate my nervous system. Right now my whole body is in a high pain state (I have pain everywhere) due to the over stimulation of my nervous system which goes back to that nasty drug I was on. (Klonopin) I had been taking that for 15  years for brain seizures and it took me 5 years to get off it. The pain started as soon as I started to taper it via instructions of my doctor and it nearly killed me. (the taper)

No, I didn't have an accident or anything that would have brought on  the scoliosis, again it looks like I was born with it. One chiropractor found a short condial on the  
right side which he says caused the whole double scoliosis. I have pictures of me as a child with my head tilted to one side.

I've tried systemic enzymes for the inflammation but they made me worse so I stopped after a month or so. Is it possible to be made worse for that long before being  made better? I use lots of the omega 3's and other natural anti-inflammatories but none have worked one iota. But I can use ice.

What hurt worse after rebounding was the SI pain and that ligament and rocking has not helped that pain or the SI pain yet but I've only rocked a few days in the rocking chair.

I apologize that I'm not as focused as you were in your email but it hurts to sit at the computer and, as you know, pain distracts.

So what I'm getting from what you sent is the heat pack would help for my back but not to use it over the inflamed areas like my SI joints and that ligament. I have iced the area, it helps temporarily but when the blood flow goes back in, it hurts badly. How often and how  
long each time shall I ice it?

OH, one biggie! I forgot to mention that in the areas that hurt so much, I also have painful myofascial lumps including down my right arm. When I press on those, they are  
excruciating and pain radiates from them when I don't press on them too.

I see a chiropractor regularly and I have regular massage. They have  given me stretching routines mostly but those haven't helped either. I gently use an inversion table,
(partial inversion) the Back Bubble , http://www.backpainrelief.com, and I've started using my chi machine again too. So far nothing touches that inflammation. And when I do lie back on the inversion table and go back, the SI area and that iliolumbar ligament hurt when being moved
and stretched. I can make the pain worse that way so I'm very cautious.

 I don't trust doctors, they have done nothing but harm me so I don't see them. All they have to offer is surgery or medication neither of which I can tolerate.

I live in Las Cruces, NM. If you think your heat pack will help my back, (minus the SI area) then
I'd love to buy it. If my spine starts relaxing and straightening, then the rest may start to get
better too.

The klonopin is also a muscle relaxer so getting off of it (I was on 8 mgs which is equal to 160
mgs of valium), all my muscles have been in spasm.

Thank you so very much for all the time and effort, thank you and God  bless you. What you sent me was more helpful than anything else I've read or been told since the nightmare started 5 years ago and that nightmare was all related to medications. Medications have   damaged me and do damage me. Even a baby aspirin has me doubled over in pain.



Here is the x-ray. I took the picture of 2 x-rays to get this one and it's overlapped a little at the
bottom but I hope you can get an idea from this...... again this is from 1992. In some x-rays it's looked more like a Z shape and in others more like a S. This is more like a S.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 11:14:01 PM »

Hi, I just completed reading most of the information you sent me. Fibromyalgia was the last one I read and your detailed helpful answers remind me so much of how your  
mother answered the question about fibromyalgia on the forum. You must have a lot of her traits I  must say.

The FM information was, as was the rest of your email, very  fascinating and I've saved the links you gave me. I do believe that it is stress related, I do have the  other symptoms like sleep problems, anxiety, irritable bowel, and chronic fatigue, and I can see where  the neuron mismatch is true too.

And I thank you once again for the very informative and helpful  document you created for me!

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 11:16:26 PM »

I was too fatigued to write at all yesterday and I need to do some  looking up of things on the internet in order to give you the information about GABA site damage and I've  
been too tired to do that. The pain has gone into neuropathic pain shooting and burning and throbbing throughout  my whole body, even up into my face and head.
I did see my chiropractor yesterday and he did muscle testing and couldn't find from the muscle testing that it is coming from my spine. He wondered about brain lesions...  
as a possibility. It seems like maybe a whole bunch of things are going on here.

My body doesn't handle supplements well at all (and I react to all my food, yes I have food allergies) but I do take lots of supplements anyway. I've never handled calcium or magnesium well. What supplements were you going to say would help to heal the nerve pain? I can't tolerate GABA at all by  the way. I had tried it many years ago and my
whole body went on fire.

I did try icing the area and that made it worse and it fired up the  neuropathic pain that is still burning and throbbing in all the areas  
I iced it two days ago. I have had the same thing happen in the past (I had forgotten) which is why I wasn't using ice. It's all so  
strange but the drug reaction does explain it since I know many others who have the burning and throbbing after coming OFF the klonopin. I am emailing one of those people now who I met on one of the benzo withdrawal forums 4 years ago. She's been off for 4 years and her legs are still burning!

I so look forward to receiving the pack!

God bless you and have a good day!

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 12:32:59 AM »

As mentioned before on the telephone, I had forgot to mention that a lot of people use magnets as a method of pain control.  My mother tried a lot of them out, and swore by one make/kind that she used almost everyday.  When she passed away, I moved everything, and have not come across it.  I have done a great deal of searching  on the net for that same magnet and have not come by it.  Maybe they dont make it anymore.  The magnets I come across now, are newer in design and shape. I know nothing about, although they work on the same principal.

What is slowing me down in helping you, is your delicate condition of being sensitive to different supplements and medications.  I know you said it hurt worse after the ice, but thats just temporary pain and not damage being  done by the ice( i know its just easy for me to say). The ice cant be doing  any damage, it rids your body of inflammation, which is so important, which is why you need to do it.   When you get the pack, you should have  been doing ice treatments for atleast a couple of days before you start using it, to get the inflammation under control before you start using heat. Then use ice and heat in combination.  I will be done all my other tasks tomorrow night if all goes well, and I will be able to finish my research for you late wednesday night hopefully and email you a response to which you can benefit from by thursday at the latest.  I will try to seperate the benzo issue, and the other back related info, and not deal with the former until we get the latter finished, becauses its what I know, and  its more important for the time being.  if you want to forward me any benzo info you have in the meantime, feel free.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 12:51:21 AM »

Thank you thank you thank you, I have it! It looks fantastic.


OH, I've have and have used some really high quality magnets for  years but this pain it doesn't touch and the pain is spreading throughout other body parts and down my arms even into my face so I think it's more
systemic than anything else. My left wrist starting hurting then my whole right arm, both my shoulder blades, neck, etc.

I've also had laser and ultrasound treatments. Those didn't help either.


The ice hasn't been helping but I've used the heat pack twice. The  
first time it didn't do anything but yesterday it did seem to reduce the pain. I fell asleep using it. :-)

I have a question - should I ice it and then right after that use the heat pack? And how many times a day would be good?

I do look forward to hearing what you came up with and thanks so much.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 12:56:34 AM »

"The ice hasn't been helping but I've used the heat pack twice"
--->ANSWER:   This same answer was taken from our forum from another user 3
years ago:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16
If you use the pack you should wait about 15 to 25 mins more before using
the ice. The same goes for waiting after you apply the ice to use the heat
again. You want the muscles to be a normal body temperature before applying
the ice again.  Its an important fact you need to know though, and I try to
make sure all users know the info!! ;)

"The ice hasn't been helping".  It helps, you just might not feel any
physical effect of the ice helping, yet, its not like the heat where you
feel it working and the pain is changed. However it is helping to reduce
inflammation, and it helps to drive blood out of the inflammed tissue (and
from around sensitive nerves), which helps the tissue heal(same for the
nerves but they take longer). Its an important part of the healing process,
its just with the heat you notice an immediate reduction in pain due to the
heat interfering with the pain signal, so most people think oh this is
making a difference and the ice might not be.  But the ice helps, you just
might not feel it though right away.  A week or weeks down the road you
will notice the difference.  I would like you to do one heat one ice, but
if you dont want to, its your choice, and I'm not there I'm not in your
body i dont feel what you do, but atleast do 2 heats to 1 ice, at the min,
especially considering the inflammation you have.  But reconsider doing one
heat one ice.  Inflammation is very bad in general for your body as a
whole, it causes problems, no kidding.

 

" I have a question - should I ice it and then right after that use the  
heat pack? And how many times a day would be good?"
--->ANSWER:Right from the same forum post: You could use the Pack once
every 2 hours - that still allows you time to start moving and becoming
mobile and that is a big part of the healing process. The only time heat
applications could have a negative effect is if they are used for hours at
a time. This form of heat application has a negative effect in your healing
process as it constantly keeps the blood present in the muscles. If the
blood doesn't leave the muscles it can't help to flush out the toxins -
plus you don't get the benefit of having fresh blood bring healing
nutrients to the tissues.

Having said that using the Pack this many times in one day will have a VERY
negative effect on the life of your Pack. If you follow the Instructions
and Precautions Sheet very carefully you can manage to use the pack up to 6
times in one day - but you will note it is not recommended to be used more
than 4 times per day. If you need to use it more often then this when you
are having a new pain attack then consider purchasing a second pack.


Are you icing any areas of your hip?  Sac joint issues like you have, like
we have already discussed...obviously there is lots of inflammation
involved.  Getting that under control even somewhat will help the pain in
that area, in addition to the overall health benefits that comes with less
inflammation in your body!


I'll get your response done as quick as I can, I hope it works out for
tonight but its getting on in time.

Have a good day,
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